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Popup filter issues
Apr. 25, 2009, 05:22 AM (This post was last modified: Apr. 28, 2009 12:24 PM by sidki3003.)
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Popup filter issues
edit by sidki: This thread is a spin-off of: http://prxbx.com/forums/showthread.php?t...2#pid12132

hello Sidki and thanks for that.

(Apr. 24, 2009 09:01 PM)sidki3003 Wrote:  Yes. No. Haven't we talked about that before?
It was similar, I was rambling on about wanting to get the Google cookie anonymising working, which apparently only kicks in in Standard Mode.
I do agree of course that Standard Mode is not highly ferocious.

Quote:Anyway, what you can do is copying your config to, say, "lightstd.ptron". Then you select Standard Mode. Then you enter "l.3" in the "Find:" box of the header and webfilter windows (at the very bottom). Then you uncheck everything that you don't want. Then you save the config.
Is there the risk of breaking filters in doing this? For example, would doing this get that Google cookie stuff to work although designed for Standard Mode?
Maybe what you suggested here is only in the knowledge that it wouldn't specifically break any of your popup filters, which is the main focus of this chat?

Thanks again,
Lee
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Apr. 25, 2009, 11:52 AM (This post was last modified: Apr. 25, 2009 11:54 AM by sidki3003.)
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RE: New popup test pages
(Apr. 25, 2009 05:22 AM)leecovuk Wrote:  Is there the risk of breaking filters in doing this? For example, would doing this get that Google cookie stuff to work although designed for Standard Mode?

When following above suggestion, you *are* in Standard Mode. You are just turning off some/most of the Standard Mode features.

Yes, a few Standard Mode filters mustn't be turned off. They contain "d.r" in their name and are required to keep that Mode intact. So better use *l.3&(^*d.r) as expression for the "Find:" box, which hides those required filters.

Out of the remaining visible filters you'd need for the Google cookie in the "Header Filters" window:
Set-Cookie: 4 Filter Cookie Content ... (d.2 l.3) (In)

For Popup notification you'd need in the "Web Page Filters" window:
. + Icon Notification ... (d.1 l.3)
. + Sound Notification ... (d.1 l.3)

For intercepting functions with suspicious content, which would otherwise run on certain events like left click, you'd need:
Sel. Event Handlers to Buttons ... (d.1 l.3)
. + Event Listeners ... (d.1 l.3)
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Apr. 26, 2009, 04:59 AM
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RE: New popup test pages
ok, thanks again, I might give it a go.

Lee
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Apr. 27, 2009, 02:50 PM
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RE: New popup test pages
Hello again,

(I'm aware this and previous posts are essentially off the original topic, but maybe it'll be of interest to some people regarding popups)

For some reason, that I can't really explain, I was wary / a little confused in trying your advice Sidki, regarding the modes issue I asked about.

So what I've done for now, is a little convoluted, but seems to suit me, based on the logic of generally wanting to continue using the Firefox built in popup blocker;

Working generally in Light Mode, I've left the first 3 of your popup filters turned on under Window Handling, but I've changed the first filter there to be:
Popups: Block 7.09.05 (fail) [srl sd th] (d.3)
ie changing the d.1 to d.3 appears to have successfully restricted popup blocking to Standard Mode.
I then force the 2 porn sites I mentioned into Standard Mode using IncludeExclude-U, which means they benefit from the popup blocking including those popundr things.
I then keep switched on and use the Firefox popup blocker in other surfing, seeing as the Prox popup blocker now only activates in Standard Mode, which I don't use except for those couple of exceptions plus *google*

By the way, sometimes when I hear the Prox 'pop' notification, I don't get a i symbol at the bottom of the page to review the blocked popup; is this because that particular popup has some characteristic meaning Prox decides it is not one for viewing? I assume so.

Lee
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Apr. 27, 2009, 06:33 PM (This post was last modified: Apr. 28, 2009 08:38 PM by sidki3003.)
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RE: New popup test pages
(Apr. 27, 2009 02:50 PM)leecovuk Wrote:  [...] but I've changed the first filter there to be:
Popups: Block 7.09.05 (fail) [srl sd th] (d.3)
ie changing the d.1 to d.3 appears to have successfully restricted popup blocking to Standard Mode.

"d.1" is simply part of the filter name, intended to explain the filter risk to people who RTFM. I would never say that placebos don't work, though.


Quote:By the way, sometimes when I hear the Prox 'pop' notification, I don't get a i symbol at the bottom of the page to review the blocked popup; is this because that particular popup has some characteristic meaning Prox decides it is not one for viewing? I assume so.

That happens if the popup isn't launched by the main page, but its parent frame, or one of its (invisible) iframes.
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Apr. 27, 2009, 11:22 PM
Post: #6
RE: New popup test pages
ok, thanks once again.

[quote]
"d1" is simply part of the filter name, intended to explain the filter risk to people who RTFM. I would never say that placebos don't work, though.
[quote]

Smile!
hmm I could swear it is working as I stated in that post. I admit I'm not the sharpest on these things, but it certainly seems to have done what I was wanting to do.
If I find out later that it hasn't, I'll drop a line back to avoid misleading other people.

Is there, then, a correct/better way to force a filter to work in a certain mode? To take the same example; force the popup blocking to only kick in in Standard Mode.
?
I assume even if that specific example is possible, there may be many other filters that cannot simply be treated in a similar way? I'm thinking about filters impacting on and related to other filters/files.

Lee
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Apr. 28, 2009, 03:49 AM
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RE: New popup test pages
(Apr. 27, 2009 11:22 PM)leecovuk Wrote:  If I find out later that it hasn't, I'll drop a line back to avoid misleading other people.

I think you better be back. Wink
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Apr. 28, 2009, 12:12 PM
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RE: New popup test pages
(Apr. 27, 2009 11:22 PM)leecovuk Wrote:  Is there, then, a correct/better way to force a filter to work in a certain mode? To take the same example; force the popup blocking to only kick in in Standard Mode.
?

Sure it's possible, but i doubt that seriously messing with the config is an option for you, so you've four options left:

- Deactivate filters that you don't like. To do this safely, you'd need to read the first chapter in sidki-etc\Abbreviations.txt.

- Use a Standard/Light Mode hybrid as explained in detail above.

- Use Standard Mode only for certain sites, specified in IncludeExclude-U:
Code:
my.site.com/    $SET(0=i_level:3.0.)

- Use Light Mode only for certain sites:
Code:
my.site.com/    $SET(0=i_level:2.0.)

I have the strong feeling that i have now explained everything i can regarding your particular problem. Wink

Also, i'm going to split this thread, because i've linked to it as "current status" from the testcases page, and it has gone too much off-topic.
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Apr. 28, 2009, 06:43 PM
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RE: Popup filter issues
Thanks again, hello Joe too, and yes, short of coming to my home and tweaking the config for me, most likely you have exhausted every avenue of remote help!

I have yet to discover my 'placebo' effect to be wrong, although clearly it is, seeing as you Sidki are a little more likely to know how your config works than me. Smile!

If nothing else, maybe those of you who work at a higher intellectual plane on these things can find some amusement in my occasional but usually misguided attempts at working the config. Well, finding amusement is better than being annoyed or frustrated with going round in a circle, hey?

Smile!

Lee
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Apr. 29, 2009, 03:25 PM
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RE: Popup filter issues
Not looking down on you from some higher intellectual plane,
just trying to help. Smile!
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Apr. 29, 2009, 03:38 PM (This post was last modified: Apr. 29, 2009 03:39 PM by leecovuk.)
Post: #11
RE: Popup filter issues
Thanks Joe, the help is certainly appreciated.

I basically get bogged down and don't see the wood for the trees.

I've now dumped my convoluted and partly ficticious approach to this, along with the Firefox popup blocker. I've reloaded the config afresh in Standard Mode, and used Sidki's suggestion of doing a 'find' using *l.3&(^*d.r), to be able to turn off a couple of filters. Not many, at that.
Plus of course, I've removed the now unneccessary related exceptions in IncludeExclude-U and of course merged back in your YLogin V2 script, Joe.
Wink

Sometimes, reading help and advice over and over again isn't enough for me by itself.... I also need to find a time when my mind is clear. Can be tricky to find.

Smile!

Lee
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