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[43unite]

(Oct. 06, 2008 02:11 PM)ProxRocks Wrote:  for the "i HATE extensions" crowd (sush as myself )

Why do you HATE extensions (and/or Firefox)?

[ProxRocks]

180...

why do you NOT hate extensions?

look at the HISTORY of Firefox/Firebird/Phoenix...
was not Phoenix/Firebird/Firefox created out of the "need" for a BLOAT-FREE browser?


"look at me, i have a bloat-free browser, i've added these 20 extensions and now i'm more bloated then Netscape Navigator and Netscape Communicator *combined*, but my 'base' is Firefox and Firefox is bloat-free... nah nah nah..."


i want "bloat-free"... and the whole "extensions" universe subtracts from that, it doesn't add to it...


bloat-free... why not take a loot at the memory usage of your beloved Firefox... not exactly bloat-free, now is it... if you've had it open for more than an hour, the memory leaks in Firefox have you up around 80K "easily"...

NONE of my browers EVER get higher than 32K in peak memory usage...

bloat-free, that's what's it's all about...



but yeah, "to each their own"...

as the "backup IT guy" here at the office, i've *uninstalled* Firefox on three different computers because i got "fed up" of getting called in "constantly", 'why is my machine so slow'... because half of your RAM is not being "released" by Firefox... "uninstall"...

but again, "to each their own" - so long as IT doesn't need called in every three hours, "why's my computer running so slow"...

but yeah, "to each their own"...


ps - look at the update history of Firefox 2 and 3... i'm not about to "force myself" to have to update "extensions" as FREQUENTLY as Firefox is being updated left-and-right... but yes, i do grant that MOST "extensions" don't need updated just 'cause Firefox has updated "again"...


"to each their own"... RAM utilization is "big" in my book oh, but wait, Firefox has an extension for that also, now don't they, lol...

[leecovuk]

Regarding the Adblock Plus extension;
I have wondered if it's possible to use their 'up to date' lists in preference to what Sidki provided in his config some time ago now. However I wouldn't know how to accurately remove bits of Sidki's config to be able to use both without duplication. If indeed possible without breaking the config. I don't use Adblock Plus, just Prox + the last Sidki 'beta'.

Off-topic : Firefox 3 -
I'm one of those who hates the Awesome Bar, even when trying to semi-restore it to how it was previously with one or more extensions/tweaks. Just doesn't appeal to me and I find it really annoying. I'm with Firefox 2.0.0.17.
I still use IE6 in preference to IE7 as well. I can't put my finger on why, but I seem to prefer it when I have to use IE. Admittedly IE6 may be more vulnerable to exploits than IE7, but I guess I like to live on the edge ...
yeah right ...

[43unite]

(Oct. 06, 2008 04:45 PM)ProxRocks Wrote:  why do you NOT hate extensions?

I don't encounter the issues that you describe running Firefox + Linux. FF runs fast with no memory problems in my distro. And beyond setting offered preferences, I can hack the code of any extension I choose, to reflect my individual preference. I can't speak for Windows related effects since I haven't run an MS OS in quite a while. My Linux OS with Firefox + extensions, and Proxo, and other stuff, etc. normally runs in less than 130M.

Proxo runs faster with less overhead on Linux than on Windows because, in part, I've eliminated duplication of effort between it and some of those extensions that you hate. Trims down Proxo quite a bit. And naturally I don't need to run the other extraneous 'protection software ' options required by an MS OS.

But, like you said, to each his own.

(Oct. 06, 2008 05:09 PM)leecovuk Wrote:  Firefox 3 -
I'm one of those who hates the Awesome Bar, even when trying to semi-restore it to how it was previously with one or more extensions/tweaks. Just doesn't appeal to me and I find it really annoying. I'm with Firefox 2.0.0.17.

I'm running latest FF3. I also hate the Awesome Bar and so I easily changed it to operate in a more traditional way, like in the obsolete FF2 series. Perfect.

[ProxRocks]

i wholeheartedly AGREE with your distro-take...
for a HOME-PC, that is...

but for an OFFICE-PC, WINDOWS is the UNCONTESTED WINNER, hands down...

when i was a TEACHER, it was MAC, UNCONTESTED...

but i have YET to run across any NON-HOME environment where Linux is King... will i ever in my lifetime? something tells me the answer to that is, "i doubt it"...


ps - i'm running Linux for our SERVER, but as far as an "office environment" goes, WINDOWS is KING... "probably" will ALWAYS be...

[43unite]

(Oct. 06, 2008 06:07 PM)ProxRocks Wrote:  i have YET to run across any NON-HOME environment where Linux is King... will i ever in my lifetime? something tells me the answer to that is, "i doubt it"...

Why do you care? That wasn't even the point of the previous posts.

Anyway since you brought it up (not to burst your bubble):

A vast number of companies and organizations are deploying Linux for at least some applications. We list here a few of the ones that use Linux for major systems (older articles, but you'll get the point):
http://www.aaxnet.com/design/linux2.html
Amerada Hess Corporation - Oil Exploration Supercomputing
BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit) - Light Rail Metropolitan Transit System
Boscov's Department Stores - special invoicing, server consolidation, Web site, etc.
Burlington Coat Factory - Entire Systems
Conoco - Oil Exploration Supercomputing
Cisco - Worldwide Printing System
Digital Domain - Visual Effects Supercomputing
Ernie Ball Inc. - Entire Operation
Garden Grove California, City of - major operations
Google - Search Engine
Just Sports USA - A fast growing chain (now 50 stores) selling sports items
Kaiser Aluminum - Manufacturing Contro
Largo Florida, City of - City office desktop systems
Lawson Inc. (Japan) - In-Store Consumer Web Ordering System
Mexico City - government of - Everything!
Mobil Travel Guide - Major Consumer Web Site
Omaha Steaks - On-Line Commerce
Panasonic - Major Electronics Manufacturer
Raymour & Flanigan - Furniture Chain (50 stores in Northeast)
Royal Dutch/Shell - Oil Exploration Supercomputing
Tommy Hilfiger - Clothing Brand
Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A. - Dealer Communications System
Travelocity - Travel Agency
U.S. Army - major military organization
U.S. Federal Courts - case management, case tracking, finance and accounting
U.S. Postal Service - OCR Supercomputing
WesternGeco - Oil Exploration Supercomputing

This page [ http://mtechit.com/linux-biz/ ] contains a list of references to commercial sites that make use of Linux to support their day-to-day business function. It's intended to be useful if you would like to find out more about how Linux is being used in commercial and other "production" (i.e., not at home, not just for fun) environments. As of 2008-03-23, there are 717 entries in this list.

Not to mention numerous cell phone platforms and numerous international governmental agencies.

You haven't been paying attention.

[lnminente]

Basically to update a simple list, thats what i do:

# http://easylist.adblockplus.org/adblock_rick752.txt
# How to convert to proxomitron
# Search and replace / by \/
# Search and replace & by \&
# Search and replace = by \=
# Search and replace ? by \?
# Delete lines with $ or .js but not .jsp

Parallel threat: I like firefox, because it is very configurable. We can decide what and how many addons to use, and i select them carefully. I improve my boot time, rebooting my system, and executing filemon from sysinternals and later firefox to read the time wich requires each file/component. I saw for me it's better don't save history and don't use safebrowsing from google. I admite firefox uses a lot of memory, and ie apparently uses less, but this is because a part of is core is already in memory. And about Chrome, i don't understand but it uses IE rendering motor, and i tested it with facebook, opened 4 tabs, and it took 30 mb each tab. Other thing we could speak it's about the use of ram, and the intensive use of hard disk. Anyway let's follow dreaming with our wonderful proxomitron. And let's hope in the future we could add an javascript motor to interpret document.write before filtering

[ProxRocks]

(Oct. 06, 2008 08:48 PM)43unite Wrote:  You haven't been paying attention.

sure i have, lol...


i could submit *MY* company to the list because we run it on ONE server, with the other TWO servers running Win Server 2003...

but wouldn't i *ALSO* have to submit that to that ONE linux server, we have three DOZEN "office environment" PC's running WinXP, four running Win98SE, two running Vista Ultimate, and one running Win2k...

i mean, that list you cite is "probably" just like the company i work for, ONE Linux to four DOZEN *non-Linux*...

"needle in a haystack", lol...

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(Oct. 06, 2008 09:13 PM)lnminente Wrote:  I admite firefox uses a lot of memory, and ie apparently uses less, but this is because a part of is core is already in memory.

"partly" true...
but i still see my Opera using a third the memory that my Firefox uses...



ps - didn't mean to start a "browser war" or an "OS war", guess i'm just feeling "rambunctious" (sp?) today, lol...

[leecovuk]

(Oct. 06, 2008 09:13 PM)lnminente Wrote:  Basically to update a simple list, thats what i do:

# http://easylist.adblockplus.org/adblock_rick752.txt
# How to convert to proxomitron
# Search and replace / by \/
# Search and replace & by \&
# Search and replace = by \=
# Search and replace ? by \?
# Delete lines with $ or .js but not .jsp

hmm is it really that straightforward? How to you merge that amended list into Sidki's config? Also, do you disable or remove anything in the Sidki config to avoid duplication?

(Oct. 06, 2008 05:33 PM)43unite Wrote:  I'm running latest FF3. I also hate the Awesome Bar and so I easily changed it to operate in a more traditional way, like in the obsolete FF2 series. Perfect.

(Off-topic still)
Do you mean you've put the FF2 address bar algorithms into FF3? If you have done that so it works 'exactly' like FF2, I'd maybe be interested in learning how and give it a go. But then, wouldn't each FF3 upgrade over-write such efforts?

[43unite]

(Oct. 06, 2008 10:13 PM)leecovuk Wrote:  Do you mean you've put the FF2 address bar algorithms into FF3?

No. I've merely customized FF3 using tools and instructions provided by Mozilla to make the 'Awesome Bar' un-awesome.

(Oct. 06, 2008 10:13 PM)leecovuk Wrote:  If you have done that so it works 'exactly' like FF2, I'd maybe be interested in learning how and give it a go.

Just use whatever browser you prefer.

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(Oct. 06, 2008 09:59 PM)ProxRocks Wrote:  

(Oct. 06, 2008 08:48 PM)43unite Wrote:  You haven't been paying attention.

sure i have, lol...

i could submit *MY* company to the list because we run it on ONE server, with the other TWO servers running Win Server 2003...

Splendid. Pretty advanced you are!

I didn't intend to change the thread topic. so this will be my last post on this subject.

There is at least one, no two, wait three, sorry, five bigger companies than yours that, perhaps you've heard of, making use of Linux...

By Chris DiBona, Google Open Source Programs Manager
8/06/2007

You'll often hear members of our open source team say, "Every time you use Google, you’re using Linux." It’s absolutely true. Check a Google engineer’s workstation, and you’ll probably find it's running Linux. Do a search on Google.com, and a Linux server will return your results. Ever since Google got its start, Linux has given us the power and flexibility we need to serve millions of users around the world.

In turn, we feel a strong responsibility to the Linux community, and we’re always looking for creative ways to put our resources in the hands of Linux developers. That’s why today we became a licensee of the Open Invention Network (OIN), an innovative patent-sharing organization founded to create a legally protected environment for anyone who works with Linux.

The concept behind OIN is simple. All OIN licensees, including participants such as IBM, Oracle, NEC and Sony, agree to cross-license their Linux-related patents to the others free of charge. Patent issues therefore become a much smaller concern inside the community, and OIN members can focus their energy on writing and releasing software rather than vetting their code for intellectual property issues. It's the legal equivalent of taking a long, deep breath.

For us, today’s announcement marks the latest development in a long, fruitful relationship with the open source community. The Google Summer of Code program has trained over 2,000 students as open source developers, many on Linux-related projects. We continue to fund external projects and host events like the Ubuntu Developer Summit and the Linux Foundation Innovation Summit. Hundreds of Googlers are submitting patches to Linux, and we’ve open-sourced over a million lines of code.

We believe Linux innovation moves fastest when developers can share their knowledge with full peace of mind. We’re proud to participate in an organization that’s making that possible, and we look forward to seeing OIN grow and thrive.

ProxRocks, I have the utmost respect for your Proxo efforts! So be true to your heart. Use whatever OS & browser you wish. Nobody cares.

[lnminente]

(Oct. 06, 2008 10:13 PM)leecovuk Wrote:  hmm is it really that straightforward? How to you merge that amended list into Sidki's config? Also, do you disable or remove anything in the Sidki config to avoid duplication?

Sorry, i don't use sidki's config. By now I use simple filters without taken difference between adhost or adkeys. So to adapt it to sidki's set would need a bit of work.

[ProxRocks]

(Oct. 06, 2008 11:39 PM)43unite Wrote:  blah blah blah

you, my friend, are REFUSING to listen to the WHOLE story...
*I* run linux on SERVERS, so does GOOGLE, NEC, SONY, blah, blah, blah, WHO CARES!!! That is NOT my point, why must you "minimize" my perspective and "claim" that to be my point?


i happen to know for a FACT that the OFFICE PEOPLE (human resource department, for example) at GOOGLE run WINDOWS... a good friend of mine turned DOWN a job at Google to work for Abbott Labs instead...


NOBODY is denying that when it comes to ROBOTS and SERVERS that LINUX is the best platform...

BUT the FACT of the matter is that when it comes to PEOPLE, the 85+ percent that are NOT GEEKS like you and i, that WINDOWS is KING...

and the ONLY way us "geeks" are EVER going to change that REALITY is by having our second and third graders sitting down to LINUX instead of WINDOWS...


Q.E.D.

[leecovuk]

(Oct. 07, 2008 12:26 AM)lnminente Wrote:  Sorry, i don't use sidki's config. By now I use simple filters without taken difference between adhost or adkeys. So to adapt it to sidki's set would need a bit of work.

ok, I see. Indeed I think it would be quite a task.

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(Oct. 06, 2008 11:39 PM)43unite Wrote:  I've merely customized FF3 using tools and instructions provided by Mozilla to make the 'Awesome Bar' un-awesome.
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Just use whatever browser you prefer.

ok, FF2 for me for now then.

[43unite]

(Oct. 07, 2008 10:13 AM)ProxRocks Wrote:  [quote='43unite' pid='9577' dateline='1223336362']
blah blah blah
WINDOWS is KING... "probably" will ALWAYS be...

Your Microsoft mentality is crystal clear. So, here's a summary:

"Linux is not interested in market share. Linux does not have customers. Linux does not have shareholders, or a responsibility to the bottom line. Linux was not created to make money. Linux does not have the goal of being the most popular and widespread OS on the planet.

All the Linux community wants is to create a really good, fully-featured, free operating system. If that results in Linux becoming a hugely popular OS, then that's great. If that results in Linux having the most intuitive, user-friendly interface ever created, then that's great. If that results in Linux becoming the basis of a multi-billion dollar industry, then that's great.

It's great, but it's not the point. The point is to make Linux the best OS that the community is capable of making. Not for other people: For itself. The oh-so-common threats of "Linux will never take over the desktop unless it does such-and-such" are simply irrelevant: The Linux community isn't trying to take over the desktop. They really don't care if it gets good enough to make it onto your desktop, so long as it stays good enough to remain on theirs.

That's what the Linux community wants: an OS that can be installed by whoever really wants it."

You don't like Linux/Firefox and you don't want to run Linux/Firefox, THEN DON'T.

NOBODY cares if Linux is desktop number one. NOBODY cares if you like them. It is not a contest (as much as MS fanboys want to make it be).

This is a Proxomitron forum. Please take your politics elsewhere.

[ProxRocks]

and in the spirit of getting the last word (i can do this all day) [for the record, i am NOT an "MS fanboy", my secondary computer at home is running LINUX], my word is this: