asp.flaaten.dk

[Arne]

The forum at asp.flaaten.dk stopped functioning today. My ISP has changed servers and asp is no longer available. Neither are subdomains there. Therefore nothing is working there and will not start working again either.

Regards
Arne

[Kye-U]

That sucks

Did you have a backup of the OPF?

[Arne]

I still have the data in the mysql databse, but no way to show it. I was just there and read some of the PMs between me and Scott. I have been shutting up about the real reason he quit Proxo for many years now. I might keep shut about it for many years to go. I got quite a bit battered from some people I belived to be my friends back then, but I still freferred to keep shut about the real reason. And the real reason was no me. In fact I chatted with Scott a lot both before and after the episode about the mai version, and he knew why it was important for me. That is also why he mad the june version for me, and I asked if I may share it with the others. I always had the others in mind. He agreed that I could share it with the community, but he wanted to send it to Poul before I did, so he would not get angry again.

There is so much about this that I do not share with others, and the price was to hold my mouth while ppl bashed med for months. Soon I might not feel obligated to shut up any longer,and then the truth will come out, about why Scott stopped working on Proxomitron. And that will give the name of the person who made Scott tired of the whole program.

[lnminente]

mmm i'm lost, i really never knew what was suppposed to happen really or not. I was very active in your first forum, less in your second one, and later i dissapear. When i came back i found your forum closed, many work lost and BIG interrogation sign in my mind. Hard to understand what was written for my regular english skills, and harder to understand seeing what you wrote now. Anyway i think all of us wich worked hard for proxo became strugled anytime because of the hardness of proxo and the loneliness. So i don't know what to think now about the story of proxomitron, but anything it could be, i love this software, i am really thankful to the few people wich anyday contributed to it. Any story you could tell us, i would welcome to everyone which wants to contribute for the good of our proxy, *ANY* story. Did i say ****ANY ANY ANY****? Yes, i did

[Arne]

Scott was a very sensitive person. He was often talking about abondoning Proxomitron. He was depressed quite a few times, and maybe he liked to talk it out with me. I am diagnosed with PTSD with great depression as well. I did nor know that at the time though. But we had many nice talks.

Mostly he was depressed because of one guy who was giving him a hard time trying to get hold of the Proxomitron, its code and everything. It was to such a degree that it made Scott depressed many times during a couple of years. I talked Scott into continuing each and ever time.

Scott also knew why I was dependent of the proxy function in Proxomitron. I am not going to tell why, but I told Scott. Oh ok, its a long time ago now, so I can tell you anyway. I had a contract killer after me, and I used anonymous proxies to make it hard to find me. When the may version came it fell back to direct contact and I was chocked. I was very unhappy about it and also felt it as a betrade, since my life somewhat depended on it. Scott understood that and made me a new version and sent it to me. The so called june version.

I asked Scott if I may distribute it to the other Proxomitron users, and he said yes. I was only to wait a few hours so he himself could also send it to the earlier mentioned man, so that he would not get more trouble from him because he made a version for me.

You all know this "man" and many admire him. But he really steps on other people very hard and very often. But you all must have to find out for yourselves who he is. He was the reason why Scott abandoned his "child". Or so he said to me.

[Arne]

Another thing was that I in the beginning offered Scott to host an official forum for his program. Which he was very happy about and said yes to.

Scott was a person who had difficulties saying things straight out. Later came another well known forum whos owner wanted to be the official forum. And then started the battering and making fun of me for calling my forum "Official". Scott did not have the strength to stand up for me, and that was ok for me. So I let the battering go on. I assume I was not the only one who was laied preassure on, because this man really had no respect for anything at all, but his own gains. For Scott it was the idea of sharing, for me it was the idea to have ppl share knowledge about hus program - all for free. But someone could see big dollars in this, and went hard down upon both Scott and me.

So now you all know more about this program and what happened to it. Greed was what happened.

[xartica]

Arne, I recall Scott's distress regarding the multiple "wannabe official" forums...

...but, respectfully, I disagree that his decision (several times) to cease working on proxo was due to the influence of a single pestering person. I'm fairly certain that I understand who you're referring to & labeling his motivation as "greed" might be largely accurate, but I sensed it was also a matter of him wanting to "bask in (Scott's) reflected glory" -- to be in charge of something really big, really important. Regardless whether he would have been the best man for the job, or even if greed was partially responsible for his motivation, I respected and admired his passion.

Throughout my occasional private correspondence with Scott, his greatest frustration seemed to be from having painstakingly created thorough documentation... but few users were bothering to read it. Instead, they swamped him with "gimme gimme gimme" requests -- requests for custom filters (which they damn well could have learned to create themselves) and requests for additional features (mostly inane features, which were wholly uninteresting to Scott).

Scott loved hearing the clever ways people found to put his engine to use. Once the chatter across the various forums (and YahooGroup) became a continual stream of "gimme gimme" posts, naturally his interest (and motivation) waned.

[Arne]

Hi xartica

I seems to me that he then talked to me about some things and to you about other things, whivh is quite normal acctually. So there were multiple reasons behind it. The picture gets more and more clear.

Since I myself have PTSD with quite big depression, and therefore know what it takes, or how little it takes, to rupture my day, I ca certainly understand what all this, day after day, could do to one who might be a bit stressed or even depressed.

The forums, I think, helped a lot on the questions about requests for filters.

[lnminente]

Uuhh hard stories, thanks for explaining it guys. It seems i lost an important episode of my loved proxo. Again the theory of talented people having social problems comes true. Obviously the proxomitron project could have been better directed, if being a paid version then be close software, if free then open source, but not as it is right now free and close I suppose and absolutly understand he would wanted to sell it in a future maybe. BTW I would pay for a new open source proxomitron of course. Later arrived Kuruden and made a good job with Proximodo, but again a talented person got burn out because of not receiving any help.

People use to think the pay 30 euros/dollars to their ISP and they must have everything in the internet for free, so they act very bad with people wich are working for free... The idea of "gimme gimme gimme..." is something always will accompain Proxomitron, but the pressioned people should answer them "ask for help" or "ten euros for each hour of my work"... That's it, and that's why i believe in writing a base, to have a config working with filter packs maintained by different people, and not only one.

Forums helped Scott for sure, many thanks for doing these two good forums Arne

[Arne]

I have been struggling all day to see if I could get anything out of my databases. I installed IIS but it did not really work out for anything. I found a little free server I never have known about before which take asp. http://www.pablosoftwaresolutions.com/ht...erver.html Cool little program!

With a little bit editing in the asp files for the FAQ began to work on my laptop. But the idea was to see the forums again. There ARE a few good topics there. But no luck with them at all. Guess I need an ISP with asp support. And the other problem is that the Snitz forums I had, were so much edited and customized, that I am having trouble understanding what I did back then LOL.

Maybe one day we will be able to see the 2 old forums again and see the good postings there. At least the databases are not lost. Old forum is an Access and the new forum was MySQL.

I wish everybody a nice day!

[whenever]

(May. 24, 2009 04:28 PM)Arne Wrote:  Maybe one day we will be able to see the 2 old forums again and see the good postings there. At least the databases are not lost. Old forum is an Access and the new forum was MySQL.

Looking forward to seeing the 2 old forums backed up again. If there is anything the community could help, let us know.

btw, does anybody know if the data at Castlecops could be returned to the community?

[lnminente]

Yes, tell us!! Maybe we could write some filters to help in the conversion.
BTW would be nice to join all that data to this forum. Maybe creating a new subforum for each forum database

[whenever]

(May. 25, 2009 12:15 PM)lnminente Wrote:  BTW would be nice to join all that data to this forum. Maybe creating a new subforum for each forum database

I would suggest to host them separately and as read only.

[Kye-U]

Arne, if you want I can try to create an "imitation forum" based off of the databases. It'll be in PHP as that's my "forte". I'd only need the bare minimum, anything other than passwords and private messages

[Arne]

I spent the day making a little program for the help file with the commands which i once made an interactive webpage for. When reading that file, I could see that it was impossible (almost) to write better help.

So I made this program which reads RTF files, whic are easy to maintain by anyone. The idea was that you folks who are not as rusty as I am, could write really good rtf files and share with the others.
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I think it works on all Windows versions. I only made it today LOL. The program is hardcoded to look for the RTF file in the folder C:\123prox and the program itself can be anywhere. There is no installing.

I uploaded it in 2 zip files. One with the program and one with all the rtf files.
http://www.flaaten.dk/editor.zip
http://www.flaaten.dk/123prox.zip

!!New version today (May 29).

Hope it works on other machines than mine lol

Have a nice day
Arne